well as i was saying yesterday, i came 3rd then this happens...
i got bout 5-10 mins max before i gotta go to work, so i decide i will hit the cash tables maybe try a quick hit and run.. so i look at the 5c/10c and all the 9seaters are full, but there are some 6max with fee seats... now i prefer 9 seats so i can wait and play good cards, rather than 6 where you need to loosen up a bit and be more aggressive also where you need a bit more skill of reading your opponents/knowing where you are in the hand which as i said previously i not so hot at!!
so i put $4 in this 6max, think 1st had in BB i get 99, this could be just what i was after.... think 2 callers so back to me and i raise to 30c both call... flop is not good K,10,7 2 over cards no flush draw......
so i could def be behind hear so i figure i gotta lead out and see where i am, so i bet something like 40c (bout half pot i think) 1st caller folds, 2nd just flat calls getting worried here, turn is below my 9 but it is another spade making 2 for the flush.... well as the guy didnt reraise me before he either slow playing a hand thats beats me, which could be a few!! he could easily have paired the K or 10 or both or have a draw with them..... i figure that the 2nd spade mite worry him if he does has something so i lead out again, bout 70c (just under half pot)... at this point i prob got bout$2.50 ish left and i figure he may come over the top but he doesnt... he just flat calls again.......
where the hell am i in this hand i have no idea!!!!!!!!!! what does he have? i have even less of a clue!!
so the river comes ..... yup the 3rd spade!! what else can i do but check, surely the only thing i can beat is a bluff? over to the caller and he bets bout $3ish so i would be all in......... after a long begrudging pause i have to fold!!
a hand or 2 later i leave having managed to cancel my small profit on the SNG and have a small loss for the day, just brilliant!!
PK69
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4 comments:
Buddy! that does seem a little crazy to me. Mistakes I would point out could be, depending on how you want to play the hand;
1) Raising from an early position with 99, you wanna hit trips essentially or your hand is unlikely to hold up so raising here is dubios
2) Betting on the turn when your intial raise and flop bet were both flat called, he probably has a king, did you think he might be playing a/k?
3) Giving up on the pot when the third spade hit, thats your only out, in that you may be able to represent the flush
4) playing poker with 10 mins to spare!! I've done that before and it never has a happy ending
Given that hand what range of hands do you think that guy had? would be interesting to see your thoughts.
Edog
well crazy is my middle name it would seem!!
ok the hand, now i know that raising early with 99 is crap, however,
as i had just joined the table no one could have a read on me so my raise could and maybe should represent some strength...
his hand, i'll be honest not a clue, also....
as i raised my intention was that anyone who calls must surely have at least AK-A10 so when the over cards hit i figure prob hit them and also if i do hit my miracle 9 hope they get some of the flop so i can get there cash!
ok so i know u will say but the overcards did hit, and yes that should have been the end of the hand for me.... but
as i had raised they could have assumed that i may have AK,KK,1010,K10 even AQ or AJ for a draw so i figured by leading out i could represent a piece of it and if they do have something then u mite think reraise to see where they are...
so when there is no reraise i start thinking maybe they on a draw or maybe they worried or of course maybe they got the nuts and waiting for me to do my plums!
so on the turn prob my mistake i lead out again thinking that if they are drawing they may decide to fold here, or if they got something now they mite want to reraise to force me....
but again no reraise so by the turn i don't know my left from right or arse from elbow!! so having got the 3rd spade i had 2 choices
1-pump it all in and hope they not read it for a bluff,but if i did have the flush why wouldn't i let them go for it so i can then call and take it? so bit dubious, but then at the lowest level does everyone think in that detail???
2-and my choice admit defeat, i have no flush, just my middle pair crappy 99, this guy been flat calling me all the way so why give him more of my very small roll, if he checks great if not then oh well
and so it was
now if i was him, an earl raise i would only call with say AK -A10 on pairs AA-JJ, so on the flop could have top pair top kicker or a strong draw or even trips so if he bets unless i got a set i would prob reraise to see where i am
alas, having no read....
as it happens before i left the table i saw this guy do same thing, he flat called someone to the river where he then jammed it all in and they folded
so either he clearly has a much better understanding of where he is in hand and could sense the weakness and waited to take it or ... well i don't know he calls and on river decides just to jam to see if can steal pot???
any thoughts??
PK69
bloody hell!!
There seems to be an awful lot of thinking behind you actions there!
My take is that, by calling your raise you assume he has high cards or a poket pair. Now when the flop comes down you lead out as you were the aggressor which is fine however you get called.
At this point I would say, I'm beat and try and check the pot out if poss. you are out of position, you are most definitly behind, however it almost reads like you are then trying to represent a hand that 1) might not be possible, or 2) won't win anyway.
He may have pocket kings so even if you try and represent AA, AK, QQ, JJ, 1010, you are still way behind, therefore falling into his trap.
if it were me i would have played this 2 ways.
1) limped in, then got out as i didn;t make trips. 99 isn't a hand with positive EV so play it slow and hope to hot a bigger disguised hand
2)play the way you did and give up after your flop bet was called. You know you are beat so if that bet is called there is really only 1 option which is to check, which really only gives this player 1 option and thats take the pot away which you have invested more money in.
Also for your turbo tornies, its a crapshot at the late end so my advice would be to pressure right from the begining as most people like to ist back and wait like you are doing so you can pick up some small pots early and build from there.
Edog
cheers, was a lot of thought on the hand though couldn't really say how much of it was in hindsight now and how much was actually thought out at the time.
think i may have said but i don't overly like my play, and it got what it deserved! i would normally go with one of your options limp and hope for a set or raise but let it go if called/reraised!
just wish i could think it all through at time and keep it together, i think sometimes i m guilty of starting a hand with one idea and then changing my plan once i see the flop,turn or betting action, this probably just sends mixed messages bout my hand which is why my not so brilliant play gets spanked out the park!!!
any chance of a preview of your 6 poker draft?
PK69
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